Pat do they typically just move around a lot. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Tim Yeah. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. It's you know I recognized their report and. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. I think that you probably are. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Theres tracks everywhere. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Let's look for other evidence. She is renowned for tracking. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Peter Biello: Ok. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR.
Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. brings a lot of. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Rick your thoughts. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Does not test random Scouts. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Caller: Absolutely. And it was unmistakable. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. It was not a bobcat. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". for some excitement. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Have you seen one. Thank you. I just want to tell you a story that I read. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. They don't know the direction they're going. They sent it already.
While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say We'd love to have you in the queue. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Your support makes this news available to everyone. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. We'll push great photos to the front page. We had six copies printed out each. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Can we go to the site. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Okay. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof.
History of Mountain Lions in New Hampshire | NH Wildlife 1957. Is that typically what was happening there. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Something along those lines. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Share. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Well within there. Well thanks for sharing. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Thank you. So they're scary. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire.
Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll Absolutely. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Chartered: 1973 . About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events
Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread Tell us your story. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances.
Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Mike you're on the air. "Of those three to five reports,. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Thank you very much for listening. So do they. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Okay. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. They were able to do all that by genetics. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. 44-N Links. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Right. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. 19 Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. And it's not really strong. Rick van de Poll: Yes. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. There's no attraction. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. No that's a little bit outside the range. They're just moving around freely. Give today. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Post your sightings and NH photos here!
List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? Thanks for calling. We want answers. John is calling from Bennington. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Like why would you want one wildlife. And why would they what. By Eric Orff. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort.
Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. So what those ranges. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. What kind of animal is that. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. There are corollaries in other states. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . We're not in the woods. N.H. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Infinite Scroll Enabled. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Well I can't tell you what you saw. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. Oh you saw him online. Or years or so. Peter Biello: Hmm. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Caller: Oh hi. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. That's too big for Bobcat. Caller: Are probably. I have one that's more elaborate than that. New Hampshire Public Radio |
Gap Mountain Lions Club Now Bobcat is a completely different species. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Have it reported down in the Keene area.
Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state.