The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. The brits found you in the new world, the so called African Americans are really the native americans- the moors. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! The Irish in this group would be the ones who were protestant (sometimes referred to as Scot-Irish) and were pro-England. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! Top 100 Irish surnames 1. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. I have a hard time following the discussion here, but I have made many replies. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. They account for a lot of the Irish sounding names in the south, whether they were Scots names, or co opted Irish names, they do not belong to the Irish family system. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!! It remains, therefore, a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries. My grandmother was an indentured servant who came over here from Ireland to work with an English family later on my grandfather saw her or met her and decided to purchase her freedom from that English family so she so she was actually a slave / indentured servant herself, I was under the impressionthat the Irish came to America as indenture slaves. Well never know for sure. Irish whiskey producer Black Irish has agreed to rebrand and sell its name to singer Mariah Carey's cream liqueur brand following a two-year legal battle. I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! Doyle Irish. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. Simply put, they could blend in and have a life. 1847 was known as "black 47." The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. Its not to different to the world we have today. Just dont take my stuff from me!! How so? Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. What about the Irish in the south? In the middle east a milder form of it still exists. Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Famous people with the surname Connolly include comedian Billy Connolly and musician Brian Connolly. Comedian Frankie Boyle, as well as musician Susan Boyle, are two of the most well known Boyles. Irish revolutionary Michael Collins is one of the most famous Irish people with this surname. Where are the runaway slave notices posted for Irish slaves (as there were for black slaves)? We were dwelling in Africa before being sold to the so-called white man (Edomites) by the hands of Africans (Hamites, specifically Tyre and Sidon) and Arabs (Palestine). Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. I understand what youre saying ny brother. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. The Europeans did not enslave Africans, they did not have to, Africans were already enslaved (they were prisoners of war) by more powerful Africans. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. Moore is another of the most popular Irish names. In a generation where so much information is consumed via hearsay or processed by means of social media, oftentimes, we can forget to dig into research like in the old days. However, Ireland considers itself a dual speaking country, so visitors can expect to see both English and Irish on public service signs and announcements. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. For example, Barack Obama has Irish ancestors on his white mothers side. Not all Africans in America descend from slaves. thats the label the brits give them. So no, they werent only raped by the master but any children born of these rapes became the property of the plantation owners. We fight hatred with success. I think it was disingenuous to tell their story by minimizing the horrors experienced by African slaves. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? So incredibly well said and so true. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. They were owned by an Irish family. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. Im so saddened and grateful for all of your research on this. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the masters free workforce. Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. Many people tend come to the belief that African Blacks were the only ones in the entire world to fall victim to Slavery. Enough is enough. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. One of the most famous people with the surname Burke is American actor Robert Burke. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. So ledgers are a great place to start, but the the ending point. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. The Gaelic word for foreigner is "gall" and for black (or dark) is "dubh.". Brennan 29. The two terms, slave and indentured servant, should not be interchanged. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. One of the most famous Johnstons is American actress Kristen Johnston. My mother in law was called Shanks. The most Kelley families were found in USA in 1880. Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . Is not because of Irish slave owners, no erase that foolishnessdont think Gone With The Wind and the OHara plantation. This has already been disproven. Probably. How do prisoners spend their time? Otherwise, I agree there needs to be some factual citations presented with the article. Really good point. One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. It is striking, though, how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain. Why wasnt this taught in highschool American history class? The history of the Irish enslavement should not be swept under the rug. This is not about which was treated worse, seems like a game your all going on about, This is about the systematic destruction of nations by the British in these times, i hear noone talking about how ruteless and horrific the British were, they make the Nazis look like Saints. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? Did you assume the Irish always spoke English? slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds ~ I think you will find McDonals is a Scottish name. The most famous being Sir Walter Scott, the Scottish patriot, writer, and poet. You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Anglicized form of the Irish name Donndubhin meaning "descendant of Donndubn ". "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is a popular phrase often associated with St. Patrick's Day celebrations. The Cromwell era, which saw a few thousand Irish servants brought to Barbados, is where most of this false narrative is focusing on. My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. It probably started out as a nickname given to a swarthy or darker-skinned person. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. Take their bone head, broad cranium, drunken, red neck selves and lie to somebody else. We should remember this and not let one injustice isnt used to counter the other. The large wave of Irish immigrants to the US in the 19th century has no direct lineage with the Barbados group, were granted the status of whiteness very early, and were actively involved in violent attacks on Blacks, Asians and other ethnic groups competing for jobs. I do so only under protest. The English Welsh and Scottish peoples all suffered by the hands of the elitist British. http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. The Irish people are native to the island country. the Germans claimed that no Jews were being murdered but they were lying too. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. This then started a huge trade as the US opened up as a new world demanding labour. Its also a shame that some people can choose to ignore whole real and existing histories because they dont fit with those peoples world views. Father indentured from Ireland mother African slave. And they did this systemically and repeatedly. Where they not slaves in labour camps? Blacks are/were not the only slaves. Famous people with the surname Lynch are actresses Jane Lynch and Evanna Lynch, as well as actor Ross Lynch. a male black slave cannot transfer an Irish last name.so it would have had to be a male Irish slave mating with an African slave women who would not have been the owner of the slave child , it would have to have the name of the white owner, so riddle us that?? The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. That is sooooo stupid. Black Irish Band, American folk music musical group. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Likewise, what makes all Blacks the same? This is the most recent history and this is, what Id argue, is the reason why Blacks are accredited as being the slave race. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: Black people dont think or worry about slavery. Its about connecting the dots. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. The Normans originated in France, where black-haired people are not uncommon. I think the Scots are the OMallys and OConners and the like.. Kelly is Scotland argyle or Ayrshire area originated there just like Kyle does. It didnt GOD made all the races and it was good. It is derived from the Gaelic Conchobhair (descendant of Conchobar "lover of hounds"). I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. Updated in 2022. Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. Who were the black Irish? The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. Although there were Irish Pirates who participated in the slave trade on behalf of France, they did not discriminate and would take Irish or African slaves to sell. One of the most famous people with the name Campbell is model and actress Naomi Campbell. Famous McDermotts include actors Dylan McDermott and Charlie McDermott. Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. Famous Reids include actress Tara Reid, TV presenter Susanna Reid, and retired American attorney Harry Reid. They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. Think about this; slavery is a serious business and slaves are property like cattle, horses, sheep etc. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. No, Irish were slaves and Indians were just in parts of Trinidad and Guyana that too from areas of south India. IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. The writer of this article conflates two different things geographical/national origin and skin colour/illusionary race category. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Variant form (s) O'Conor, Connor, Conor. First, there was intermarriage in early America before slavery. naturally, that population mixed in with the newly arrive slave blacks as well as the indigenous blacks. You dont have to deny the history of one peoples suffering to expose that of the other. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. A brief history the movements of Celts across Europe. Forgetting the past opens the door to repeating its horrors . * Originally published 2013. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. Take a look inside Dublin's most stylish townhouse, Number 31, JFK's words remind us of the true meaning of St. Patrick's Day. Did the heathen of the earth not only enslave the physical Israelites, (those being blacks and Native Americans), One of the most famous McLoughlins is author and television presenter Coleen Rooney (neMcLoughlin). That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. But you will find out the truth when JESUS comes back to reign for a thousand years to teach his people the truth, because they have been believing a lie about a rapture theory. All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. Doing so further divides races and intimates that being white is bad and that youre somehow guilty of past crimes. The main difference is that 600,000 people died in a civil war to end Black slavery, not Irish indentured service. There you go again, oversimplifying a complicated issue. It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. I got my answer. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. or any other colour or race, you just needed to be POOR. Stewart is a very popular Irish surname. Actresses Kerrie Keane and Dolores Keane, as well as football manager Roy Keane, are three of the most famous Keanes. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. in addition, when i go back as far as i could to the 1800s, i have relatives still with Irish and Scot last names so thats why I dont think this article is entirely accurate about the last names. Excellent article, sadly but all true. One last point, as a professor in irish studies.here are some accredited sources on irish slavery, you shouldnt get your sources from Wikipedia or any other non accredited website!!!!!! (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). To keep it going. Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. also England is a lot rougher place to live than Ireland the ira keep the drugs out of catholic communitys. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. I love it !! I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Murphy (56648) 2. Walsh 5. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. If These men are in jail serving time for committing a crime, I have no sympathy for them or anyone else serving time. The term is used among people of Irish descent and sometimes confuses people since it doesn't refer to dark skin color. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. Regarding #3 who was making a dare? It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. The African slave adapted readily to the tropical conditions of the West Indies,but they had to be purchased, whereas the Irish were hunted down like rabbits in their homeland, and were free of charge for the taking. June 25, 1661. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. Captured irish were SLAVES, and nothing but slaves, no matter how these hysterical (fake) leftists are trying to prove otherwise. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? This regard of history and overall attitude only serves to further perpetuate the divide between skin color and bigotry. The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. They were allowed to keep their last names? This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. Sharing in everyday culture and identity, as well as ancestry, human presence on the Emerald Isle dates back some 12,500 years, according to archaeological studies. They became very wealthy and powerful at the expense of their foes and rivals. Ive often had arguments on the very same topic, because blacks have claimed slavery as our own. Did they live off the land, eat a lot of potatoes? Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. My dad is African-American and his last name is Hare. Famous Kellys include actor and director Gene Kelly, 20th-century artist Ellsworth Kelly, and actress and Princess of Monaco Grace Kelly. Bullshidt!!!! Thanks for this fascinating post. A modern Irish variant spelling is Conchir. McLoughlin 22. (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. Children sent north. Thus leaving no question that they were property and not human in the eyes of planters, The Irish already had last names in English, most Irish names are now written in English. O'Reilly 12. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. & why St.Patricks day is arguably one of the most celebrated holidays on the island. Lots of questions still to be answered. According to Irish history, the Maguires held Fermanagh from the 13th to the 17th centuries. Blacks participated and also were complacent in the slave trades. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! The assembly was led by Strongbow, a Norman lord from Wales. Each of these immigrant groups had their own physical characteristics and all, with the exception of the Ulster Planters, assimilated to some degree into Irish society, many claiming to be "more Irish than the Irish themselves". The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. Theyll come up with terms like Indentured Servants to describe what occurred to the Irish. Irish slaves. Very interesting. I also have enslaved Africans in my lineage who have an Irish surname. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. White indentured servitude was so very different from black slavery as to be from another galaxy of human experience, as Donald Harman Akenson put it in If the Irish Ran the World: Montserrat, 1630-1730.